throw the michael jackson movie (and his defenders) away 🗑️

Regardless of whether you believe he was guilty or innocent, publicly admitting to sharing a bed with unrelated children is widely viewed as inappropriate, and it does raise legitimate concerns. Even if nothing illegal occurred, repeatedly putting himself in situations that resemble known patterns of abuse was hella irresponsible at best. MJ shouldn't have said he shared the bed with any kid, their siblings, or their parents. He SHOULD NOT have been actually doing it. He really could have saved himself, his family, fans, accusers, and legacy a great deal of trouble by having never taken up dealings with non-related children. The fact that so many people still feel they have to defend this so ardently is perplexing to me. Most people without his level of fame would likely face serious scrutiny or consequences for that kind of behavior, and it’s reasonable for people to question it rather than dismiss it outright. There's nothing wrong with thinking independently.

its so interesting to me that movies about women always end up actually being about their private life and especially their children and husband while movies about men are JUST about their career and only glaze over the people they hurt in their live

We should also really look into Sia because she used to have sleepovers with Maddie Ziegler. It’s not ok because it’s an adult woman either.

Thank you D'Angelo for actually using serious words instead of calling it "Cheese Pizza" or whatever

I’ve always believed that Michael Jackson’s life is basically unfilmable. You can’t make a movie about the “good half” of his life without referencing the bad half, and vice versa. It’s going to be inherently sugar coated. Personally, I’m not going to be able to watch it without thinking of what comes next.

former victims of abuse saying their abuser was nice to protect them, where have i heard that before? OH YES IN TYPICAL ABUSE CASES

Two things can be true in this scenario: Michael could have been mentally unwell, abused himself as a child, not had a childhood, and very well could have been obsessed with children, with reliving his childhood, or with feeling more acquainted with children. AND HE CAN ALSO HAVE BEEN AN ABUSER! Just because he had a rough childhood, does not mean he is allowed to become a predator. 13:42 THIS!! Both can be true. Maybe his poor children might EXPLAIN WHY he did what he did, but it doesn’t make it okay. It doesn’t excuse it. From a psychological point of view, it may be intriguing to study how poor childhoods affect murderers, criminals, pedophiles, and abusers, but legally and morally it does not make what happened okay.

Someone in the chat said at 6:40 "Not denying that it was weird but he was autistic...." Last I checked autism doesn't make you sleep in a bed with children and defend it as "beautiful" to journalists. Also, he wasn't autistic. At least not ever diagnosed.

Even if he wasn’t being inappropriate with the kids, teaching them that a grown ass man who’s unrelated to them can sleep with them because it’s “a sign of love” is so dangerous and will condition them to be more vulnerable to real predators. Statistically adults who actively try getting close to children are pdfiles, not sure what the chances are of him being innocent anyway because why the fk wasn’t he sleeping platonically with people his age if “the world needs more love” LMAO.

I feel like even if you don’t believe he was molesting children or touching them the way we tend to think of child predation he at the very least fostered inappropriate relationships with children. Regardless of wether it was deliberate or a result of his own issues with boundaries as a result of his childhood, it’s still predatory

Never underestimate society’s ability to sanitize and defend abusers especially when they’re famous. Inserting yourself into allegations with the sole aim of proving innocence is not only disgusting, it’s harmful. As a third party, you don’t have full access to the truth, and all you end up doing is muddying the waters with bias, making it harder to distinguish fact from opinion.

I had grown men trying to portray me as some sick minded person for saying no grown man should share a bed with children that are not his own. They were like "he lost his childhood and now he's making up for it" like as some wholesome bullshit. No. No no no NO.

Some people don't seem to understand that, even if MJ had never touched a child, there is still all of this evidence of him having relationships with kids that were not appropriate. You can take sexuality out of it entirely and what he was doing still wasn't ok. Having, or trying to have, a peer to peer relationship with a child is not appropriate. It doesn't matter how bad your childhood was or if relating to kids that way is healing for your inner child or WHATEVER because it's bad FOR THE CHILD. People want to act like it was ok for him not to have the boundaries he's openly admitted to not having because his childhood was so terrible but it's nuts to act like, because something might have helped an adult, it's ok that it might have harmed children. NO. There are ways to mentor, teach, and be around kids that are healthy and appropriate. There are therapies that help people to cope with childhood trauma. There are things adults can do that celebrate and soothe their inner child without involving ACTUAL children. There just isn't an excuse for so many of the things that he, himself, openly admitted he did.

He is an icon. He’s also a very twisted person. From animal abuse to strange pdf behavior. I hate biopics in general, but this one from the trailer alone gives me uncanny valley.

"if you have to take out the truth from a 'true story' then the story shouldnt be told" is such a great sentiment thank you dangelo

As a parent I would NEVER NEVER LET MY CHILD TO A GROWN MAN’S HOUSE AND HAVE SLEEPOVERS!

Setting aside the possible sexual abuse, people need to realize that there are other ways you can hurt children. Not establishing proper boundaries and inappropriate intimacy are neglect at best, abuse at worst.

There's a certain level of mental gymnastics Michael Jackson defenders do that is genuinely impressive. They believe that he both had the mind of a child and was as innocent as a child while simultaneously understanding and accepting the man ran a multi-million dollar empire, wrote and performed at an expert level, and was married to adult women. Infantalizing him while also praising him as a once in a generation artist is wild work.

Something I noticed about child predators when they get caught or called out is they use the word “betrayed” a lot…

In my previous role I was a Social Worker at a men's prison they held child sex offenders(CSOs). Many of the CSOs had been sexually and physically abused as children themselves, so I can totally believe two things can be true at once of Michael being both a victim and a perpartrator of child abuse.