This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit peterbeinart.substack.com (https://peterbeinart.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_7) Professor Omer Bartov, is the author of the newly released, Israel: What Went Wrong (https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/477841/israel-what-went-wrong-by-bartov-omer/9781911717690) . Haaretz Columnist Gideon Levy, in a recent column (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2026-05-06/ty-article-opinion/.premium/zionism-didnt-go-wrong-it-was-always-built-this-way/0000019d-fe78-df19-af9d-fffb97010000) , criticized an interview about the book that Bartov conducted with Haaretz. I invited both of them to join me in a discussion. Topics include… The difficulty for some Jews of declaring oneself anti-Zionist Did Zionism go awry or was it always meant to be what it has become? What might a more moral Israel have looked like at its inception? The morality and necessity of BDS The loneliness of the anti-Zionist Israeli
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Zionism was wrong since de the begining. The idea of ethnique cleansing was there before the occupation. It wasn't juste to create a home land.
Zionism did not save the Jews of Palestine. The British 8th Army did.
Always wrong, the idea Jews need a designated homeland to be safe is antisemitic. Ethnostates are inherently genocidal. Next question.
Well just like all such groups it was just wrong - it was built around the supremacy belief of the USA Eugenics society, then nazism came around as it's little brother
ome of the history cited here does not seem correct. My reading shows that Zionism as an ideology from its inception in the late 19c always talked about ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Further, the early Zionist colonial settlers were supported by the British who trained them in how to run a brutal occupation as they did in India. Further, these early Zionists from Europe were the same as the white supremacists that they were running from. The difference was that they saw t hemselves as a unique group with a unique demographic identity. To be remembered, the vast majority of Jews in Europe refused to leave and joined the socialist BUND movement maintaining their national identity while also maintaining their religious identity as Jews. This is fact is much more normative than religious groups leaving to start their own country. Of course the US had is share of such people in the religious groups of Europe who found themselves suffering prejudice such as the Pilgrims and Quakers and Shakers. But these groups did not become warriors and brutal occupiers. Others white supremacists from Europe took up that role, failing to enslave Native Americans, turned to genocide and enslavement of Black Africans for their free labor. In this, they were like the Zionists with their racism and dehumanization of people they saw as Other. So while I find this man's history interesting It seems to lack some really important facts such as Zionism was ALWAYS racist and genocidal as that is what ethnic cleansing is!
The old double standard applied only to Israel.!!!!!!!!!!
Go wrong? What a stupid question. Israel is now a country, case closed. Zionism is now a past tense historical word.