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I’ve seen some people say that the script is poor because Emma faces more consequences for something she didn’t do versus the characters who did do horrible acts. And, like, thats not a flaw in the movie, that is the *point* of the movie. It felt pretty explicitly clear to me that the movie is highlighting how hypocritical the characters judging Emma are, and how their hypocritical nature is a factor in showing us that they are worse people than Emma.
The directors shitty behaviour resurfaces and every tabloid reporter asks themselves "How can I blame Zendaya for this?"
Spoiler Alert: Rachel came across as a major hypocrite towards Emma. While planning a school shooting as a teenager IS horrible, bullying a disabled classmate and locking them in a remote area in the woods is arguably even worse. While Rachel's background of having a cousin who was paralysed from a school shooting does make her a LITTLE understandable, it's still not fully excusable. She has the audacity to treat Emma as though she ACTUALLY went through with her plan.
In a lot of ways I thought that Emma's story was a success story really - the school reacted to a shooting that resulted in a death of a student in such a way that it prevented another shooting from occurring. The reason that fog lifted for her was because the school and her fellow students became more emotionally supportive of her due to that loss and that connection made her humanize them again in her mind. It's basically exactly what you would hope to happen in that situation.
They baited her into revealing her deepest regret, shamed her and ruined her wedding day
The fact that people think that trying to humanize someone is an issue is exactly why you have the issue in the first place. You can recognize why someone did something empathizing with them but at the same time hold them accountable and condemn the action. Like you need to know what motivate their actions to know how to help others and avoid things like this from happening again.
Rachel and Charlie are very realistic portrayals of bullies. They are very unwilling to accept that they hurt people on purpose and that their actions may have permanently damaged those people.
12:23 “don’t try to humanize a school shooter?” but they are human. That’s kind of the point.
Rachel should have been uninvited to the wedding PERIOD
Something Zendaya didn't do vs something Rachel actually did is so... Idk. Weird??
I can see why the topic would be uncomfortable for some people especially those directly affected but the fact the character didn’t actually go through with it I think shows the movie is trying to highlight how it’s possible to turn kids away from this type of thinking while showing that it’s possible. She’s not happy about it she’s not glorifying it whatsoever and again it didn’t actually happen
11:24 I hate the argument that blank thing "humanizes" a bad character. The character is a human. Every bad person is a human. Humans are capable of disgusting things and to say that people who do horrid things aren't human is part of the problem and ignores the fact that these people have mental health issues. Humanizing is not justification or trying to draw empathy, its simply reality
As a former angry kid with undiagnosed OCD with wild intrusive thoughts and is currently engaged .... I relate to this movie a lot more than I care to admit 😅 Thankfully my support system isn't comprised of Charlies
As a horror movie fan, his speech at the wedding was the most horrified I’ve ever been in a movie theater 🤣
shooters are human. they should be humanized. Part of the reason we have a problem is that people dissociate with the human components of killers that aren't mentally ill.
THAT'S the twist? I thought she'd majorly hurt someone or something equally horrible (like locking a disabled child in a closet and lying about their whereabouts putting said child in an incredible amount of danger perhaps?). Thought crimes aren't real, and she didn't do anything. Yes, she prepped but ultimately didn't go through with anything, and actually ended doing the opposite of what she was trying to do. Though I suppose the movie is more about the people's reaction to it than the "twist" itself. I'm not going to watch it in theatres bc of the director being so gross, but I might watch it later through other means bc it does look interesting. (I'm norwegian as well, and the age of consent here is 16, but social mores still exist and a 26 yo "dating" a 16/17 yo is fn gross)
Honestly? I wouldn't care. Might sound bad, but it's been a decade, and clearly she did not do it. To me thats like if someone thought about killing themselves but decided not to and still treating them like they could do it at any minute.
Shooters should be humanised - it's this othering that prevents the truly troubled from getting help. What they SHOULDN'T be is idolised.
The stuff about the director being a creep (being kind) shouldn't have been pushed onto Zendaya and Robert. Still really enjoyed the movie for what it was but I do get why people aren't happy about Kristoffer getting more work. And you're right about many in extreme power getting away with the same thing. They don't care about protecting women.
I think because the outcome of the movie ends up with Charlie doing a bunch of small terrible things that add up to the one near-fuck up (having sex with his subordinate), that means that his story about the cyberbully is either completely false or massively exaggerated. He's a liar throughout the entire story but in that white lying kind of way where you can talk yourself into or out of whatever it is because it never comes off as that offensive. So his actions in this movie are him finally experiencing the "worst thing he's ever done", which is pretty dang bad. Nearly cheating on your fiance the day before your wedding does not look good no matter what headspace he's in and that's what his wedding speech was about, he could not bullshit his way out of it.